Just wrote the wrap-up for the team meeting yesterday: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfLFE5WqoQvTkuX7mPBBS9viM84_OZl7TNODUt34vH8/edit?usp=sharing
If you’d like to edit the Google Document, just send a request to me.
Please leave a comment here if you have questions or suggestions. Thanks.
Should we create an issue-only repo on GitHub?
Currently I open non-code related issues on https://github.com/WPCollab/wpcollab-plugin-skeleton/issues?state=open but this is not really ideal, is it?
What do you think.
P.S.: When I use “guys” in the future, girls do not be offended, please. 
I was thinking a repo for documents like minutes or team guideline. And all issues aren’t related to plugin projects could go there.
“Guys” is ok for me! 
If we decide all document should go to Google Drive, an issue-only repo on GitHub is ok for me. There will only be code and GitHub management related issues, right?
I actually really like this idea, since it could let us tag and assign things and filter the discussion based on that. Might be better than p2.
So do we a majority? I think so, right?
Yes. Let’s create an issue only repo.
hi guys, thought I’d post this link with images in reference to the closed ticket. What’s the fix for hostgator from you? Let me know how to direct them regarding server settings to make it go away and I’ll be happy to send along the needs requirement for the plugin to them:
What PHP version is the server running?
The server is definitely not able to load the file containing the class.
php v. 5.2.17 (weird because they said they were moving everything to a new server a few months ago and i had to update dns for my nameservers)
i put the php ez config image on the same site for you guys to see in case you know a setting shown there that can make it load the class for emoji and then we could just put that in the general documentation?
reason why i point it out at all is because hostgator used to use the latest but a big multinational company bought them out (among many other large hosting companies) and there may be issues at just more than one company:
Links on why or how others use P2:
This article is worth reading: The Tools We Use – The Revised Edition http://www.woothemes.com/2013/07/the-tools-we-use-the-revised-edition/. The WooThemes team use P2, GitHub, Trello, Google Drive, TeamGantt as their project management tools.
We are going to be meeting at 12:00PM Monday (http://everytimezone.com/#2014-2-16,1440,6bj) in our Gitter chat (https://gitter.im/WPCollab/Hello-Emoji) to discuss our progress so far and moving forward. Everyone is welcome.
Here’s what I think we need to have on the agenda:
Please leave a comment with what else you think should be on the agenda.
Sorry Josh, I have screwed up the evernote note.
It does not look like evernote is really good for collab
Evernote can’t share a certain note, if we’d like to collaborate, we need to create a notebook then share the notebook, notes in that notebook could be synced across the collaborators. I’m okay with the notebook sharing method, but I’d say Google Document does a better job on collaboration.
I wish I could attend, hope you guys a great discussion.
Hey guys awesome idea! How do I become involved?
You seem to be already
We are currently working on some kind of minimal website with more info but here is how you can get involved:
Have a look at the issues or open one yourself https://github.com/WPCollab
Tweet #WPCollab so we all get the tweets
Look if we are available on the gitter chat https://github.com/WPCollab
sorry https://gitter.im/WPCollab/Hello-Emoji
P.S.: WP.com forgot me, again.
I think two links in your comment did it this time.
HI guys, I haven’t been getting updates, just told this thing to do so == great first plugin! I’m downloading to test today. At wordpress.org the faq has one little typo — missing the “s” in the word “display” :
Thanks. I’ve opened an issue on GitHub. Will update it soon.
hey — do you think something happened to the plugin when they addressed the ticket? I posted an issue for somebody to review…
Do you mean the “Fatal Error” issue on GitHub? If so, we’ve got it, and will fix it soon. Thanks.
Hi, Jason, if you have any plugin idea, just post here and we’d love to give some feedbacks. Also you’re welcome to contribute your thoughts to our current projects.
Let’s discuss what we want the Trello plugin to do and what is in scope for initial release and for future releases.
Be sure to check out their API docs: https://trello.com/docs/
Christian mentioned their are some PHP API wrappers on GitHub. Figuring out which, if any to use or if we can just borrow from the official Trello plugin (http://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/wp-trello/) should be part of the discussion/
So far I haven’t found a PHP Wrappers is good to use, if we need to create the API by ourselves, that would be beyond the scope, right? Or Christian would be interested in it :wink:?
The other inspiration is from idonethis and http://www.emelloapp.com/, we could do a simple task like “create a post then create a card” by email (http://help.trello.com/customer/portal/articles/1216141-creating-cards-by-email).
Correction: create a PHP SDK/Wrapper by ourselves, not API.
I would want to go for using the email interface. It is not real-time and I don’t think that Trello is really looking forward to scaling that feature out (when we flood it with our huge userbase ) since it is more a complementary way to get stuff into Trello if no other way is available at the moment to the user.
Shouldn’t we start using Trello ourselves? Create an org?
This could be the backend for WPCollab: Connect to GitHub issues (already possible?), WP.org issues (via mail notifications 
) and possibly incoming mail to mail@wpcollab.co (to be created for future support requests).
All this could be displayed on wpcollab.co (this direction is possible with wp-trello, right?)
To the backend part, I believe those tasks you mentioned might be done via Zapier, I could do these settings when we get ready for Trello.
I would say that first we should set a scope and see what the GitHub has to offer matching our requirements (https://github.com/search?q=trello%20php&ref=opensearch)
If we find a wrapper matching our requirements we should contribute to that (or fork) and use it as a basis.
Since I am more or less a first time Trello user you might have better insight in what is useful to connect to WP
We could take a look at this one: https://github.com/ashwinks/Trello-API-PHP-Wrapper. But it uses namespace, does that mean it’s for PHP 5.4 above?
No it means 5.3 but I would even be happy with a 5.4 requirement. If only people move on from 5.2 and even 5.3 *sigh*
Has anyone seen Asana? https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=trello%20vs%20asana
Asana seems to have a lot of kick-ass integrations already. https://asana.com/apps
yes asana does seem like it does alot. what were the determining factors for using trello in this project? I’m learning about them both right now and would like to know what the winning points for one over the other related to github is — i am new to this side of github.
We’ll have a discussion on Gitter at UTC 12:00 pm on Monday. Would you like to join us Caramiame?
yes thanks!
is your plan to get a plugin integrating with a project management solution or have a project manager for wordpress? maybe you want to fork or add some pull requests to this one: https://github.com/tareq1988/wp-project-manager in my opinion, it’s e.g. missing a kanban flow and potentially a few other goodies… it’s also hosted on wp.org where it has around 20.000 downloads already…
The plugin will be more like “a plugin integrating with a project management solution” as you said.
I’m not really a programmer any more but I read about you guys on WP Tavern. Just wanted to say that I love what you are trying to do and to wish you good luck.
Thanks for your support Dom. We need more than programmers. Designers, beta testers, project managers are needed as well.
We are roughly one week into this and we are almost done with our first plugin Hello-Emoji. If you haven’t contributed yet, now is the perfect time to download the plugin, try it out and tell us what you think, or open an issue to report a problem you found with it.
While we’ve had some confusion, and learned some lessons along the way, I think this cross-continental collaboration has gone pretty smoothly. Christian has applied what we’ve decided and learned to the creation of a starter plugin for future projects. It is an awesome tool that will be very useful for future projects for this group.
Speaking of future projects, what’s next? Hello-emoji was our learning project, but it’s time to make a “real” plugin. We have a lot of cool ideas on this blog and I think its time to tackle one. Of course, the question is which one? Also do we want to stick to making cool free plugins as a learning experience and a way to build our own portfolios or do we want to start thinking about things we can make that can be monetized?
I’d love to know what people think about these questions as its something to discuss before anyone makes a proposal about what we do next. Comment away! I’m looking forward to tackling whatever comes next.
Josh,
First of all, working with you guys on something like this has been an amazing experience. I mean, it took less than two weeks for people from four continents that never knew each other to plan and build a WordPress plugin. Small step for a man…
What next? I think sticking to free plugins for now is the way to go. Would absolutely love to find ways for us to monetize this at some point, but doing 2-3 more free ones before we do, I think that will make working on commercial plugins easier.
So next two things would be figuring out what next project is and what we’re going to do with wpcollab.co website. Some thoughts on these two:
Thoughts?
i love the font integration idea! also for a todo workflowy for the chrome browser is simple but very effective. they don’t have an addon for firefox yet… I am new to both trello and asana so i am checking into them now.
I’m also checking out underscores. I might be able to help if you have not got anyone.
just installed idonethis to check it out too…
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/search/workflowy?hl=en-US
It’s my pleasure to work with you folks, no matter it’s a free plugin or premium one. I agree with Slobodan that we definitely could do something monetized in the future, it would be good that we keep doing 2 or more free projects together before that.
As to the next plugin project, I’m glad that Slobodan shows interests in my proposal, I like Christian’s Fonts plugin too. Before we make the decision, should we finish the skeleton project (https://github.com/WPCollab/wpcollab-plugin-skeleton) first? Based on Christian’s work, I believe things will be lots easier to start any plugin development in the future.
For our website, underscores.me is a good idea, the only thing I’m worried about is who will take care of design job? Do we need to hire someone or buy a theme if no volunteer designer get involved?
1) Nice to hear that you like the skeleton. Any ideas for changes?
2) Commercial plugin after a “few” more plugins is an option worth exploring. I am with you on doing some more free stuff first.
3) WP Fonts: I got a reply from Thomas S. Butler (Google Font Manager) and he is working on a “premium” version of his plugin. I am totally good with commercial plugins and if his pro version is doing what I need I do not see the urge to create it myself.
4) Something with Trello would be great. Should we use Trello for WPCollab, too? I am totally new to it but it gets high praise from everywhere.
I really like to work with you and the geo-diverse team is great for progress.
Site Design: We can use a free theme or I can pitch in one of the WooThemes themes.
I’ve added some comments on the repo of skeleton, and I’ll test the skeleton with grunt in the next few days, will let you know my thoughts then. So far I think we’re on the right track and thanks a lot for your efforts.
We can also find a designer to help us with wpcollab.co design, a few responded to my original post and tweet. But, I really thinking using a theme would speed things up and allow us to focus on our plugins.
WooThemes theme would be great, we could even ask them to help us promote #WPCollab in exchange for “powered by *** theme by WooThemes” link.
I like the idea of doing the fonts plugin or the Trello plugin. The Trello plugin could possibly an add-on for the official Trello plugin (http://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-trello/) to go in t he reverse direction, if that makes sense. The google fonts plugin could be very cool as it would be a great alternative to themes having to add this sort of support. We could even do a “theme” mode where the UI was hidden and the theme’s settings could control it via filters.
Does anyone have strong feelings about one or the other? I’ma huge fan of Trello, though in response to Christian, I think using it, and GitHub issue tracker and P2 is way too redundant. I do think the Google Fonts plugin may be more useful.
As far as the site goes, I’m more of a theme developer, but not designer and use underscores as the basis for my own theme. I am no designer, but I think by combining it with a framework like foundation or bootstrap makes it very easy to create a simple, nice looking site. Maybe later we add a designer to the team that can spruce it up a bit.
BTW Something I’ve been meaning to do, and have partially done with my theme, is rewrite all of underscores into OOP PHP with a full set of action hooks and filters. Could be another project.
So let’s decide what to do next:
1) Google Fonts or Trello?
2) Also let’s get a site up and going, even if it’s just a simple site for now. We can use my server (on SiteGround) if you want. I can set it up to deploy from a repo in the WPCollab GitHub so we can all have easy access. I’m assuming that the mapping can be done for make. to stay here and the main domain to go there.
I already have it all installed, and it’s at Pressable, but absolutely don’t mind moving it to Siteground, so if we agree on having it there, let me know what the @ record should be. Now it’s just a blank WP install that redirects to make.wpcollab.co
As for next plugin, Trello gets my vote, we just need to be careful not to create another one of those “do it with WordPress even though it doesn’t make much sense to do it with WordPress” plugins. If we can figure out how to tie Trello into WordPress workflow, perhaps for managing a multiauthor blog or something like that, then we should go ahead. Maybe, posts changing status would move them from one board to another etc.
I’m a Trello user as well, but don’t think we need to use it for WPCollab. P2 for discussion and Github issues for project management seems to work.
1) Font plugin is a useful one, but I agree with @cfoellmann that we could wait till the premium version of Google Font Manager releases, if it still can’t scratch our itches, we jump into that then. (and maybe that will be a good project for monetizing.)
2) Thank you Josh for hosting WPCollab. We need some time to search for a theme we all like (no matter Bootstrapped, Woothemes, free or premium one). Maybe we could start another post to name the candidate themes.
If we decide to choose Trello plugin as our next project (besides the plugin skeleton), I suggest that: 1) Let’s start to use Trello, 2) We should discuss about the user cases or scenarios the plugin will for.
I understand the problem of using too many platforms at the same time.
How about connecting Trello + WP (and our future project management plugin ) + GitHub issues?
Sounds like Trello plugin is everyone’s favorite. We need to start working towards a solid list of what we want the plugin to be able to do and look at the API to see what is doable. https://trello.com/docs/
RE: New site: If it’s easier to keep it on Slobodan’s server, let’s keep it there. I think we should probably avoid spending a lot of time and energy on the site and concentrate our energies on the plugins. If we just have something simple to show off the plugins, show who we are and encourage people to join us, we should be fine for now.
I am completely with Josh.
1) WP Trello: Scope needs to be defined
2) We shouldn’t think too much about the site. Select something pagy (opposite to a blogging theme) and set the stuff up
Yeah, no PHP-SDK for Trello 
Sorry.
There are some unofficial Trello PHP SDKs/Wrappers on GitHub. We might should try to find one that works for us.
I agree with Christian agreeing with me That said I am still very tempted to write a quick Pods plugin for easily creating and managing team member profiles and plugin info.
I created a new post for discussing the scope of this plugin.
Slobodan- Do you want to set the site up on your server? I
Added you to the site. I’ll work on homepage wireframe (one pager) and try to find some designs we could use.
I got in, thought the front-end is still redirecting here. I’m assuming I just need to give it time. I think for now all we really needs is a front page and pages called Plugins and People. The plugins page would have a child page for each plugin and people would have a child page for each of us.
Seems like that is all we need, besides copy for each. Also decide what types of update posts stay here and what go on wpcollab blog.
It’s just the homepage that redirects to Make, Redirection plugin handles that.
OK, I’ll start working on WPCollab homepage tomorrow. I agree pages and page templates are better than custom post types for this.
Do we create a Github repo for the site as well?
This is a reply to your last comment. We exceeded max comment depth. I would say we need a GitHub repo for that site, if we’re going to deploy from it and do a bunch of custom coding. I don’t think that is what we are doing at this point, right?
I mean, I love the idea of spending a bunch of time on making a really cool custom site, just not sure it’s the best use of our time.
I agree, we don’t need any distractions.
At some point we probably will decide to work on a custom site, but too early for that.
Slobodan-
Why don’t we set a time to chat on gitter or irc and get the simplest version of this done.
Only real decision to be made is for people pages, do we create a standard for those pages with some custom fields (bio, picture, links, social profile etc.) or do we just create a page for each of us, make that person the author and let them handle it? IE we create a page called Yoren Chang, set Yoren as the author and let Yoren do whatever he wants with it?
If there’s still need to discuss this via chat, I’m available for it most of the day today, send me a tweet whenever it works for you.
P.S. I keep increasing nested comments depth, currently maxed out at 10
To Josh’s last comment, I suggest we create standard fields and let each of us be the author of the page.
BTW, it’s a “she” here.
@Yoren- I apologize. The one time I don’t use ‘their’ as the gender neutral third person singular pronoun…
These sorts of fields are an excellent use for Pods. I can add two CPTs ‘plugins’, ‘people’, add a bunch of fields, write a quick plugin to output the fields via a the_content filter, so we don’t have to worry about theme switching. Shouldn’t take more than 30 minutes.
That sounds great, let’s do so if Slobodan and Christian are okay with it.
Never mind the he/she things… Even in Chinese, my name is pronounced like a guy’s name.
@Josh, @yoren I like the idea of everyone managing her/his page. Then homepage can pull gravatars, names etc. so we can list contributors there as well.
It would be great to use Pods, I added you as site collaborator in Pressable, so you should have SFTP access, in addition to admin access to WordPress.
What do you guys think about http://octocard.info/ ?
Another small WP plugin we could build. Itch a scratch you have and help others in the process
I like this…
I like it, too.
me too!
Make the plugins
Drag & Drop Featured Image (http://wordpress.org/plugins/drag-drop-featured-image/) and
Dynamic Featured Image (http://wordpress.org/plugins/dynamic-featured-image/ + https://github.com/ankitpokhrel/Dynamic-Featured-Image)
work together nicely.
I hope both devs are gonna have a look at this post and comment.
Here i am!
A few ideas I would like your input on:
1) How about a new repo like ‘wpcollab-plugin-base’ or ‘wpcollab-plugin-skeleton’? I would love to start with that pretty early so we can see it evolve over time.
2) Some kind of homepage we present profiles of the contributors and projects – WordPress-based maybe?
1) Yes if we’d love to keep this project going on. I prefer the name of “wpcollab-plugin-skeleton” but won’t be so much differences whatever we call it :p And we’re so lucky to have you to create the structure for us.
2) I was thinking of exactly the same thing. We’ll need a homepage for WPCollab other than the P2 here.
Thank you @cfoellmann for bringing these up.
The site would also be used for information about each plugin.
Slobodan- you can map wpcollab.co to another site, right?
Yes, that won’t be a problem.
Moving today and tomorrow morning so I’m kind of slow (sorry), but things should be OK starting tomorrow evening.
How about something like a “Codex”? To collect resources, tips and tricks.
Yes, Codex is a good idea too. So we could plan to build a website with:
1) Official Homepage for WPCaollab
2) Team projects / plugins like Hello Emoji
3) Team members: profile with website, blog, twitter links
4) Resources and Codex (Codex is more like documentation for me, Resources might be tips, tricks etc.)
I’m not sure if it is too much for you folks? Maybe we could discuss more detail after we release Hello Emoji, like how to keep this project going, or what we should focus on, etc.
Just for record. According to https://github.com/WPCollab/Hello-Emoji/issues/25#issuecomment-33994260, we should figure out a way to manage team accounts information.
I don’t know what the best way to handle this is, so please suggest something. But me being the only person holding all the keys hardly makes sense.
Service like LassPass (@cfoellmann mentioned in GitHub) or PassPack (I’ve read some recommendations about it) are good solutions. For example, if we use the Free version of LassPass, all credentials will go there, and we just need to remember the password for LassPass to access those information.
But with a Free account of LassPass might not be good to passwords security. Just benefits the sharing.
?? Did you mean “Premium” instead of “Free”?
If we share the passwords using free LassPass, that means we need to use the same account in LassPass, right? That means we still need to email to each other about the password of LassPass account. Just think that won’t be so safe then (passwords show in email).
It’s my bad. I should ask if we could share passwords between free accounts?
No, the sharing option is a premium feature.
Nothing is perfect but using one account is free and an ok solution.
That sounds good. So, five of us working on Hello Emoji can be considered “founders” and get access?
Josh? Christian? Javier? Thoughts?
Sounds nice.
Have a look at http://x-team.com/ – could be our future
Great concept and what a beautiful website.
this guy contributed to the tommimcfarlin project I stumbled into and posted to you guys about and he has a lot of interesting little things he has done, might have some resources to include in a codex, he is definitely a contributor…
Quick status update. We completed the 0.0.1 milestone today and are hard at work towards finishing the 0.1.0 milestone, which will bring us to a working beta. There are issues on that milestone without contributors, so if you haven’t gotten involved yet find an issue that you can help with and leave a comment saying you will take it. If you can’t commit directly, submit a pull request and someone will merge it. Once we are at a usable beta, testing it will be needed.
I have added a new milestone for getting this ready for submission to WordPress.org which involves creating banners and screenshots. Who ever has the graphic design skills, these are your issues to jump on, especially the banners.
We’re making great progress so far, and learning some lessons along the way about what to do and not to do in the future, which was the point of all of this.
Hopefully everyone is having as much fun with this as I am.
PS I also activated Gitter chat for hello-emoji, which is a really cool chat system integrated with GitHub, this should really help smooth some of the communication issues.
Check it out:
cfoellmann, 
Yoren Chang, and 2 others are discussing. 
nitram, 
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Gitbot Scope Open Discussion-> https://github.com/WPCollab/gitpress-bot/issues/3